Christian Hardcore

Kingmob · 07-22-2006, 12:34 PM

Ok, here's a good thread to get a debate going. There's been a real upswing in forwardly neo-christian thinking hardcore bands and labels. The ideals of christians can be in direct conflict with the original ethos of the hardcore punk movement. Does it not matter a damn to you what a band belives, or does it a christian band make you more/less likely to care in their message. Should a movement that is famed for being open and receptive to everybody accept the increasing involvement of a belief system that teaches we are all slaves?

Paul · 07-22-2006, 11:20 PM

With all kinds of mixes of music and religion:

If the message doesn't effect my enjoyment of the music and as long as it doesn't seem to preachy.

I love Underoath which is Christian I believe...? I don't know if you(kingmob) would consider them hardcore though.

sub-zero · 07-30-2006, 11:41 PM

Yes, Underoath is a Christian Band.

I have been a Christian for a long time and I grew up on a baptist church which I now consider too "old and traditional" for my tastes. I knew it at the time and I didnt' like it then, but I didn't know any better.

When the Christian Rock scene started to sprout in the early 80s, there was much resistence and debate from the church, stating that it was "secular" or "devil" music. This is total crap.

The Bible clearly states "sing a new song unto the Lord" and that is exactly what these Christian bands are doing. I think it is a great thing that they do and nowadays I pretty much listen to Christian rock and nothing else.

Avian · 08-01-2006, 08:18 AM

Some Christian Rock is pretty good. I personally like the old Creed stuff (not really hardcore), but as long as it doesn't sound like a hymn and its got a good sound, I'm happy.

lance · 08-02-2006, 06:12 AM

christian rock is definitely good, Underoath is good, I like you're ever so invited

sub-zero · 08-03-2006, 03:09 AM

Creed was good, I kinda liked them. Have you heard Scott Staff's new CD? It is pretty good also. It isn't really my fav style of music, but I do think he has a very good voice.

If you like Underoath, you might like these bands also:

Stavesacre
12 Stones
Day of Fire
Decypher Down
Skillet
Staple
Spoken
38th Parallel
Stutterfly

Paul · 08-03-2006, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sub-zero

Creed was good, I kinda liked them. Have you heard Scott Staff's new CD? It is pretty good also. It isn't really my fav style of music, but I do think he has a very good voice.

If you like Underoath, you might like these bands also:

Stavesacre
12 Stones
Day of Fire
Decypher Down
Skillet
Staple
Spoken
38th Parallel
Stutterfly

Haven't heard of any of these bands, but I'm gonna make an effort to check em out.

Kingmob · 08-07-2006, 06:04 PM

Well, I have no problem with a band who has christian beliefs as long as they don't try and force them on anyone. I do have issues with bands who take it further and put money into political propoganda (Rock For Life). You're getting into practices like blacklists of bands who "don't fit the christian message" etc.

sub-zero · 08-09-2006, 04:45 AM

Rock For Life isn't a polical organization, it is a Biblical one. If you want to view it as political, that is your point of view and you are welcome to it, but that is not what RFL teaches.

compl3x · 08-10-2006, 10:40 AM

It's funny there was once a time when the christians were all up in arms about rock music and how it corrupts the youth and is all devil worshipping etc. and now there is a genre that is called christian rock/christian hardcare etc....

I don't care if the artists are christian, muslim, jew or other, if it isn't preachy I would give it a listen...But if it starts on with "Jesus loves you" or "God is watching out for you" or any other christian related nonsense, it'll get the flick.

But how are you a christian band...and not sing about christian beliefs? What makes you christian? How are you a christian band? Because you are a follower of the christian faith? That makes lots of band christian then, doesn't it?

So they must sing about their god, so I won't be listening....

Kingmob · 08-11-2006, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sub-zero

Rock For Life isn't a polical organization, it is a Biblical one. If you want to view it as political, that is your point of view and you are welcome to it, but that is not what RFL teaches.

You can dress it anyway you want, biblical/political. It goes to the same end. RFL teaches Christian fundamentalist propaganda. And I think that bullshit has all ready brought us all close enough to the fucking apocalypse allready, thank you very much.

WebmasterPost · 08-13-2006, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingmob

You can dress it anyway you want, biblical/political. It goes to the same end. RFL teaches Christian fundamentalist propaganda. And I think that bullshit has all ready brought us all close enough to the fucking apocalypse allready, thank you very much.

I have to disagree, you are making an overgeneralization. It is the Islamic fundamentallists that have brought us to the apocalypse.

You can't blame, Christianity, Budahism, Judeism, or Cabalists for the sins of Muslims. You don't see Christians trying to blow up planes or become suicide bombers.

WebmasterPost · 08-13-2006, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingmob

You can dress it anyway you want, biblical/political. It goes to the same end. RFL teaches Christian fundamentalist propaganda. And I think that bullshit has all ready brought us all close enough to the fucking apocalypse allready, thank you very much.

You can't blame, Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, or Cabalists for the sins of Muslims. You don't see Christians flying planes into buildings or trying to make dirty bombs.

WebmasterPost · 08-13-2006, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingmob

You can dress it anyway you want, biblical/political. It goes to the same end. RFL teaches Christian fundamentalist propaganda. And I think that bullshit has all ready brought us all close enough to the fucking apocalypse allready, thank you very much.

I have to disagree, you are making an overgeneralization. It is the Islamic fundamentalists that have brought us to the apocalypse.

You can't blame, Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, or Cabalists for the sins of Muslims. You don't see Christians trying to blow up planes or become suicide bombers

WebmasterPost · 08-13-2006, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sub-zero

When the Christian Rock scene started to sprout in the early 80s, there was much resistence and debate from the church, stating that it was "secular" or "devil" music. This is total crap.
The Bible clearly states "sing a new song unto the Lord" and that is exactly what these Christian bands are doing. I think it is a great thing that they do and nowadays I pretty much listen to Christian rock and nothing else.

I was right there with you in the 80's Sub-Zero growing up listening to Christian Rock while my parents tried to stop me, saying it was "Devil's music".

Now, my brothers and sisters and I are giving the Christian Hard Rock scene a try, though we are far from getting signed, but we're are trying. Our site is here: http://www.SoulSacrifice.net

07-22-2006, 12:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
Kingmob Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Reekie Posts: 453	Christian Hardcore Ok, here's a good thread to get a debate going. There's been a real upswing in forwardly neo-christian thinking hardcore bands and labels. The ideals of christians can be in direct conflict with the original ethos of the hardcore punk movement. Does it not matter a damn to you what a band belives, or does it a christian band make you more/less likely to care in their message. Should a movement that is famed for being open and receptive to everybody accept the increasing involvement of a belief system that teaches we are all slaves?

08-10-2006, 10:40 AM	#10 (permalink)
compl3x Rock N Roll High Priest Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 250	It's funny there was once a time when the christians were all up in arms about rock music and how it corrupts the youth and is all devil worshipping etc. and now there is a genre that is called christian rock/christian hardcare etc.... I don't care if the artists are christian, muslim, jew or other, if it isn't preachy I would give it a listen...But if it starts on with "Jesus loves you" or "God is watching out for you" or any other christian related nonsense, it'll get the flick. But how are you a christian band...and not sing about christian beliefs? What makes you christian? How are you a christian band? Because you are a follower of the christian faith? That makes lots of band christian then, doesn't it? So they must sing about their god, so I won't be listening.... __________________ Visit Us.

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07-22-2006, 11:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Paul Administrator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 658	With all kinds of mixes of music and religion: If the message doesn't effect my enjoyment of the music and as long as it doesn't seem to preachy. I love Underoath which is Christian I believe...? I don't know if you(kingmob) would consider them hardcore though.

07-30-2006, 11:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
sub-zero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4	Yes, Underoath is a Christian Band. I have been a Christian for a long time and I grew up on a baptist church which I now consider too "old and traditional" for my tastes. I knew it at the time and I didnt' like it then, but I didn't know any better. When the Christian Rock scene started to sprout in the early 80s, there was much resistence and debate from the church, stating that it was "secular" or "devil" music. This is total crap. The Bible clearly states "sing a new song unto the Lord" and that is exactly what these Christian bands are doing. I think it is a great thing that they do and nowadays I pretty much listen to Christian rock and nothing else.

08-01-2006, 08:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
Avian Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 33	Some Christian Rock is pretty good. I personally like the old Creed stuff (not really hardcore), but as long as it doesn't sound like a hymn and its got a good sound, I'm happy.

08-02-2006, 06:12 AM	#5 (permalink)
lance Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4	christian rock is definitely good, Underoath is good, I like you're ever so invited

08-03-2006, 03:09 AM	#6 (permalink)
sub-zero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4	Creed was good, I kinda liked them. Have you heard Scott Staff's new CD? It is pretty good also. It isn't really my fav style of music, but I do think he has a very good voice. If you like Underoath, you might like these bands also: Stavesacre 12 Stones Day of Fire Decypher Down Skillet Staple Spoken 38th Parallel Stutterfly

08-07-2006, 06:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kingmob Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Reekie Posts: 453	Well, I have no problem with a band who has christian beliefs as long as they don't try and force them on anyone. I do have issues with bands who take it further and put money into political propoganda (Rock For Life). You're getting into practices like blacklists of bands who "don't fit the christian message" etc.

08-09-2006, 04:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
sub-zero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4	Rock For Life isn't a polical organization, it is a Biblical one. If you want to view it as political, that is your point of view and you are welcome to it, but that is not what RFL teaches.