Kingmob

Is a foetus a person?
Personally, as the late great Bill Hicks once saidl;
"it ain't a person till its in the phone book".
Do you have sleepless nights about all the little babys being murdered?
Or could you not give a crap what some woman you've never met flushing a load of dead cells down the bog?

balzizras

So until you have a phone, you aren't a living person and may be killed?

Paul

I'm personally against it meaning I wouldn't want my girlfriend to do it.
But what people do is there business.

compl3x

I think there is only one circumstance in which a women should be able to abort a baby and that's if the pregnancy threatens the life of the women or the life of the baby.


& Good topic btw.

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Kingmob

I belive that if a woman does not wish to carry a pregnancy to full term, then that is her decision, and it should have nothing to do with the church or state. It is her body. End of.

If you attempt to ban abortion, the only thing that happens is the practice resorts to unsafe back street clinics and more people suffering/dying.

I would rather see more people be mature enough to admit to themselves that they ARE NOT ready to be parents. There are enough neglected/unloved/abused/majajusted kids in the world as it is.

compl3x

When you fuck around you run the risk of getting pregnant. We already have a society full of people who never take responsibility for their actions. People having an abortion because it's inconvenient at the time to have a child is horrible.

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Paul

I agree. Put the baby up for adoption at least.

Kingmob

So you want some junkie crack whore to run to full term then put her aids ridden crack baby up for adoption? Yeah, that'd work out great in the real world.

Or what about the old "rape" conundrum? Should a woman be made to carry the child of a Rapist against her will?

Samoid

all i have to say is choice choice choice. at least give the chick a choice. why put it up for adopotion when there is already so many baby's that dont have parents or just have terribly unprepaired teenage parents who raise fucked up kids

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Paul

Because its better than killing them. Very similar to euthanasia IMO

compl3x

I was going to say something about the rape issue, but even I don't know where I stand on that. I don't think an innocent life should suffer for the actions beyond it's control, then again a women shouldn't have a child which she didn't choose to have.


But I am not saying I am anti-choice. I am just anti-irresponsibility, societies unwillingness to be accountable for it's actions is the worst.

People see abortion as a way of circumventing their responsibilities, "hey Im'a go out, screw around and in the event I fall pregnant, there is a free clinic down the road, no questions asked".


Ok I might be being a little insensitive, I know for some women it would be the most difficult choice in the world, but still, just because women say "It was the most difficult thing I ever did" doesn't make me think "oh well, let's just ignore the fact human life was destroyed"


And yes, I also see a valid point in you crack baby example, but that's an issue of lack of government intervention in the increasingly bad drug problem society faces. The drug problem does resonate on unwanted and therefore aborted babies, but I suppose if you removed the drug problem or helped those who were addicted to drugs the rate of unwanted pregnancies because of drug related issues would decrease significantly or be nullified.



I mean this is a difficult topic. But I think the most stupid thing people say is "pro-choice" or "pro-life". To try to boil such a complex moral and ethical dilemma down to two very general sides is absurd to say the least.


And I mean, who is really anti-choice? or anti-life? If you are pro-choice it doesn't make you anti-life and vice versa.

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Kingmob

Without going to far down a seperate topic, there will NEVER be and end to the drug problem. As long as there are drugs, destroying the lives and mind of the underclass, the underclass will never become organised enough to stand up to the elite that control society. But like I say, that's a different topic.

What I think is interesting is a few of you refer to abortion as "taking human life" here we have a fundamental divergence in opinions. I do not see a foetus at 3mnths as a human life. Human life is a consciousness, and until that conscious is realised it isn?t a human being. I think your all a bit to sentimental. :redface:

webdev

Just my opinion I am never for it. I have to agree that the only case that should ever be done is if the womans life is threatened. I put myself in that babys shoes, I would rather be born and have the chance to live even a miserable life than not given the chance to live at all.

But as I said, that's just my opinion. Each person has to make their own choice and I'm not going to force my opinion on anyone.

Kingmob

Sorry, but hypotheticals like that don't make anysense. If you were the baby you wouldn't be thinking shit. You'd just be floating there all cozy in the damned womb. In fact, if they snuffed more of our cancerous species before we had a chance to develop that viscious conscience of ours the planet would probably be a lot better off.

webdev

When referring to being in "that baby's shoes", it's obvious that I don't mean the baby is thinking or reasoning. I think it's kind of obvious that I was referring to them as a baby because that's they stage they are currently in. My statement still stands, I would rather live even a some what difficult life rather than not live at all.

Can that hypothetical situation be off too? Sure it can. Since your environment shapes you, who knows if I would have this same kind of attitude.