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iratebeaver

Rock will never die. Rock is always.

Ahdkaw

I'd like to note that although my musical-heart lies firmly within the hiphop camp, don't let that fool you into thinking that I am centred on that alone. I thoroughly enjoy rock of the 50's, 60's, and 70's, as well as Jazz (I'm not keen on Free Jazz tho, it's a bit extreme for me), Blues (I love Blues, mainly big band blues though), Electronica (Techno, Trance, House, etc. - although mainly late 80's and early 90's), Dub, Reggae, and much more besides.

I think my reasoning comes from my sense of loss. Ever since the early 90's when rave culture was smashed against the wall of government control, I have felt that the music scenes have gone downhill. Perhaps it's an age thing, but as far as I can tell, there are no clubs that exist today that can even come close to the clubs of the Acid/Rave Culture.

See, now I'm heading into rave territory. Where are the illegal warehouse parties? Where are the outdoor quarry raves in the rain? Where are the convoys of ravers on the motorway heading to the 24hr Services to party on until the early morn? They're no longer in existence as far as I can tell. Thanks BritGov.

Back to hip hop. I am in fact more of an old schooler than I have previously mentioned, to me the state of hiphop now is a mess. It seems that everytime I hear a new "hiphop" track/artist on the radio/TV/other popular mediums, it seems to be dripping in RnB. Yuck. I hate RnB (but not the original/real R&B). Girls like RnB though, as it's all soppy stuff usually. Keeps the females happy I suppose.

Nowadays I find that quality in hiphop is few and far between, there are only a few artists that really stand out in my opinion, KRS-ONE (of course - 20 years in the game and still banging out hi-quality, politically-conscious, hiphop), The Last Emporer, Dead Prez, and a couple more I can't recall the name of right now.

The real quality though, still remains firmly in the old skool, there was real variety in those days, these were people who rapped in the park, dealt with the cops always shutting them down, they were living a real life. Real life brings forth real music (as far as I can tell).

Rock died in the 70's though, simply because since then I have yet to hear a band that doesn't sound like something I've already heard.

But then to wander into the realms of genres, it's difficult to say whether "Industrial" (for example) is rock or electronica, it's a bit of both. You will get crossovers in every genre. I'm unsure as to whether to count this in my dead rock genre, as I really liked Ministry back in the day.

Adasunshine

Andkaw - if you haven't done so already, give Blackalicious and Jurassic 5 a go, wonderful, wonderful Hip Hop.

When you listen to these two "groups" it's a relief to know there's still some good stuff out there, just a shame it's not as popular as the tripe that seems to be charting week in week out...

xx

Marky Lazer

Brave man to share something blasphemous like that.

mikeo

This really does make it sound like you either haven't listened to rock much since 1979, or you just aren't particularly interested. There's no great shame in either, but I can't say that I agree that every rock and metal band since 1979 has sounded like a copy of some other pre-80's band.

In fact, I'll be honest - I think most hip-hop and R&B sounds the same, but that's probably because I don't much like it. Not a big deal, but it does mean that I'm not particularly qualified to comment. ;-)
If you think that songs like "Diety" and "Burning Inside" sound like something from the seventies, I think we'll need to talk about where the heck you were during the seventies.

Allanon

too many words, just play the music man!!

Green

Rock music didn't die... it just changed

There's loads of bands out there today who still play a damn good tune, but the sound is different. It's okay for music to evolve. If it didn't, then we'd still all be listening to crap from the 1890s. If the modern stuff is not to your taste, then fair enough... but if you can't find anything that doesn't sound new, then you aren't looking hard enough

Lacedaemonian

I read somewhere that music died in the Falklands. There was, however, no mention of what time period this occurred in.

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Paige Turner

What the… a calm voice of reason in an internet forum? This IS still the internet, isn't it?

Green

It was during 'nam.

littlemissattitude

What can I say? If people want to pick a fight, I'll try to be peacemaker just to spite them.

More seriously, I've never really understood the general attitude that goes something like, "Anything I like is brilliant, and everything I don't like is dreck." Now, don't imagine that I don't have some pretty strong opinions on some music (books, films, art, etc.), because I do. That doesn't mean that everyone has to share my tastes.

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polymorphikos

This is a silly debate because there wasn't much music that came-out in the seventies that didn't owe something to the sixties and fifties, and in the sixties to the fifties, and so-on. Music is all about slow evolutions, not massive shifts. There's also the fact that, once a genre exists, everything within it has to have certain characteristics or it can no-longer be considered a part of that genre.

Your argument is tantamount to saying that literature is dead because it all contains trace elements of beat writing or French realism.

Lacedaemonian

I love the beat writings.

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jackokent

What is beat writing may I ask.